106: Rebecca Hogg on Wanting to Be Better Even When Nothing is Wrong

Andrea Liebross: You're listening to the Time to Level Up Podcast. I'm your host, business life coach, Andrea Liebross. I help women in business commit to their own growth personally and professionally. Each week, I'll bring you strategies to help you think clearly, gain confidence, make your time productive, turn every obstacle into an opportunity, and finally overcome the overwhelm so that you can make money and manage life. Let's create a plan so you have a profitable business, successful career, and best of all, live with unapologetic ambition. Are you ready to drop the drama and figure out the how in order to reach your goals? You're in the right place. It's Time to Level Up. Let's do this.

Hello, my friends, and welcome back to the podcast. Today I have a client story for you. I am talking to Rebecca who I have worked with in all capacities. She has been inside Committed to Growth Life Coaching. She currently is inside the Runway to Freedom Business Mastermind. She has done the Full Focus Planner course. She has done the Money Competence Coaching with You Need A Budget. She came to my live event in April. She is a licensed professional counselor and owner of her own counseling practice. But she also is a landlord, a dog owner, a daughter, a sister, an aunt, and a friend.

I think what's so interesting is that she has really put together all of these tools and continued to put them together, all of these tools to create a life and a business that she loves. I know at one point while we were working together, she said to me, “Well, if I do this, does that mean I can't do that?” She was having some doubt that she was going to have to give up something in order to get something else. I think what's happened is that she's realized she doesn't have to give up anything that she doesn't want to give up, and if she does want to give something up, it's because it's not serving her or it's not useful anymore. Sit back, buckle up, and take a listen to my conversation with Rebecca and see how she's been able to put all of the pieces of the puzzle together.

Welcome back to the Time to Level Up Podcast. I am happy you're here. Today, I am extra happy because I have one of my favorite clients, Rebecca, with me. The reason I asked Rebecca to come on today is because she has been one of my clients who is really using, I would say, all of the tools to their fullest and integrating them really, really well. I think, and maybe I'm wrong, but she'll share with us, I think she has seen lots of positive changes in both her work and her personal life. She's gotten over, since I've known her which has now been a year-ish probably, right?

Rebecca Hogg: Yeah, about nine months to a year.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. Nine months to a year. I think she's done what she wants to do. She's figured out how to have freedom in her personal and professional life, keep things going, and travel while she's doing it. Anyway we're going to get into all of that. Rebecca, tell us, I'm going to just let you introduce yourself.

Rebecca Hogg: Hello, I am Rebecca Hogg. I'm a licensed professional counselor in Texas and I'm licensed in other places as well. I love helping people experience healing and meaning. I know that sounds cheesy but it's true. Initially I wasn't even a counselor. I started out, I did two different careers before I did that, and ultimately full circle back to what I ultimately wanted to do which is counseling. When I was in college, I didn't want to go to school for a little bit longer, I just wanted to do the four-year degree and be done. I didn't want to get a master's and then ended up doing that, and I'm so glad that I did. Initially I actually did legal assisting and I was a teacher before.

Andrea Liebross: I didn’t know that.

Rebecca Hogg: Yeah.

Andrea Liebross: I knew you worked in a school but you were in a school as a counselor, weren't you?

Rebecca Hogg: I was a teacher and then I became a counselor at school, yes.

Andrea Liebross: So cool. Look at the stuff I'm learning. Amazing. So Rebecca really does love helping people. It is a true statement. She is really good at it.

Rebecca Hogg: And now I have my own private practice and I'm loving what I do and where I'm at.

Andrea Liebross: Now she's not just counseling, she's business owning, which adds a whole other dimension into her life, which I think has been pretty rewarding and you're learning a lot through that process. I think being a business owner, we always learn things. We don't even know what we don't know.

Rebecca Hogg: That is a phrase that I use a lot actually, I don't know what I don't know and I want to know it.

Andrea Liebross: Right. When we first started working together, actually, tell everybody how you found me which is interesting.

Rebecca Hogg: I had done some research about what a good planner would be. You wouldn't believe how many, well maybe you would, but there's a lot of planners out there and ultimately, I decided on the Full Focus Planner. Then I joined the Facebook group and asked if anybody was a coach who also worked in the mental health wellness field. Then you chimed in and then we scheduled a consultation call and I was sold.

Andrea Liebross: That was as simple as that. That was the beginning of 2021. Was anything really wrong at that point? How would you describe where you were when we started working together? Because sometimes people say to me, “Well, there's nothing really wrong,” and then they have this feeling where they know that they are capable of more and they want to create more in their lives, and I think going back also that you love helping people, I remember you expressed, “I know I can help more people. I know I can put more value out into the world. I'm already putting value out into the world but I just think, again sounds cliche, but I think I'm just capable of more.” Would you describe anything as really wrong or what was happening in your world at that point when we started working together?

Rebecca Hogg: Good question. Nothing was specifically wrong. COVID was still going on obviously, but I was looking for balance, efficiency, and the time that I had, so starting out with a Full Focus Planner because I had already done a lot in 2021 before we met in 2022. I rented out a room in my house. I worked remotely while traveling. I organized a full bathroom remodel. I trained for and completed a half marathon even with an injury. I knew that I could achieve these new projects that I wanted to take on in 2022 but I realized I couldn't use the same methods that I had been using, doing things the way that I always did things, and be as efficient as I wanted.

Andrea Liebross: Right. It's like what got you here is not what’s going to get you to the next place. Something had to change a little bit in order for you to continue on that path. Because you were really working towards creating freedom to travel while still working, and also create actually more income in a lot of different ways, one being your Airbnb-ish business, and then also I know you're actually in the process of bringing on more therapists.

Rebecca had plans to have more freedom in her life, to work while she traveled, but also to create more revenue, which was also a great, great goal. Why couldn't you just do this on your own? Because you had already accomplished so much. What was getting in the way of you doing this on your own?

Rebecca Hogg: Well, back to what we had said in the beginning that I wanted to know what I didn't know, what are some other ways to think about things, implement, or systematize things, so I wanted to excel at each of the personal, professional projects that I had started in 2022 or had thought about starting, wanting to reach my full potential or those projects to reach their full potential because I know that I had gotten this far and wondered where else I could go both literally and figuratively.

One of the things, when we met, that you did, you asked me to rate the categories of my life with a value of 0 to 10, 10 being the best, and then visualize each of those categories as spokes on a wheel, I believe. The finances were like a three and health is an eight and so on, the ride of life, if you will, would not be a smooth one, so we want all the categories to be in the higher numbers, more balanced, that sort of thing. I was like, “Yep, that's exactly what I want.”

Andrea Liebross: Yes. Because the ride was rolling but it was a little bumpy. Let's talk about all the things that we've put into place. Number one, you've gotten a lot better at using the Full Focus Planner. Would you say that's a true statement?

Rebecca Hogg: Correct, yes.

Andrea Liebross: How do you integrate it into your life weekly, daily? Because everybody uses a tool. It's like 12 tools in 1, what do you love about it and how does it integrate into your world?

Rebecca Hogg: The first thing that popped into my mind is the annual goals that you set because that helps keep you focused when you say yes to things, what are you saying yes to, or are you saying no to those goals essentially because you're not achieving them, completing them, whether they're habit goals or achievement goals, and even just that in the annual goals, are these things that you're just wanting to do like habitually or is it something you're trying to achieve? Breaking that down talking about, step-by-step, how you're going to do it and how are you going to celebrate when you complete that.

That is something that I really, really like because at the beginning of the year, we're like, “Yeah, I'm going to do this,” and then we often don't end up doing it. But if it's in that Full Focus Planner, we're saying yes, I am committed to doing this. We've talked about before, sometimes we can change things. Oh, actually, this isn't something I really wanted to do. I thought it was and it's okay to change. That was really big too because it's like what I said that I wanted to do it, but how much do I want to do this and for what purpose, and that sort of thing.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. I think that one of the biggest things that a lot of my clients have is the aha of “Hmm, this is a goal, but is this a habit goal or an achievement goal?” I think that's a really powerful distinction. A lot of times, those habit goals feed into the achievement goals. I find that if someone isn't achieving something, a lot of times it is because they haven't developed the habits to get there. Have you developed any new habits?

Rebecca Hogg: Oh, yeah. I do Duolingo, and I'm not perfect at them, just be real about that and yet overall, they have these free streaks, so if you missed a day, then you can fill it in. I've done that a couple times but overall, I've now kept it up for I think 67 days, which was really fun. If nothing else, my brain's picking up stuff that I don't even realize that it's picking up, looking for patterns and noticing things and learning, expanding knowledge. It's fun.

Andrea Liebross: Alright. How have you been celebrating? You talked about celebration when you actually achieved something. Have you created any celebrations?

Rebecca Hogg: Right now I have a couple friends on there and so you can share your status with them. But I haven't done anything else, so good challenge.

Andrea Liebross: Alright. So you've used that planner to help you outline some goals and stay on track. Let's talk about the other tool that I think you've employed, or one other tool that you've put into place that's actually helped you reach some goals, which is the You Need A Budget system, and really just the thinking behind it. How have you implemented or integrated that into your world? What have you found most valuable about that?

Rebecca Hogg: I would say it's more about knowing for me the You Need A Budget or YNAB. I like that it's all in one, like for my personal, I can have a budget specifically in every card, account is on there for personal and then I can do the same with business and just go back and forth between the two. It helps me make sure that I'm not charged for something that I returned or I'm not still charged for something that I returned or charged for something that I didn't do because it's all in one place, and then as well like how much am I spending on these certain things, it categorizes it.

I know credit cards or your accounts do that but they're usually all separate and so this is all in one to really help know what you're doing with your money, and does it align with your values? Does it align with your annual goals? Stuff like that. Also for me as a business owner who tries to keep things separate, if for some reason I needed to use a personal card, a debit card, credit card, it's in there and then I categorize it as business so I don't have to go back through a certain time at the end of the year, whenever, to see what did I put in personal that needed to be business. It just makes it easier for me and for my CPA.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. I think it's interesting, what I find super powerful is when—and this has happened for me personally—let's just talk about going out to dinner. Sometimes I charge it on a card, sometimes we're going with a friend and we split it so I might like Venmo the friends so it really is powerful then to see together how much should we spend on dining out this month from all the different sources of payments as one big category where I think, like you said, it's really hard to figure that out just by looking at a credit card statement or cash coming out of your bank account.

Just having the knowledge around spending in categories create power because then you can make better decisions. I've made some decisions like, “Hmm, I'd rather not do that, I'd rather not spend as much this month in that category and take the money that I would have spent and put it toward saving or a vacation,” for example. I think it really gives power. You've saved for things over the past nine months. You've done lots of traveling. What are some categories that you're saving for?

Rebecca Hogg: Good question, but before that, one of the things tht I wanted to say back to what you were talking about in the categories too is, I don't know if you mentioned it but I thought of Venmo and Amazon, those are obscure, it could be anything, and so you're right. Putting it in those categories so you can actually see, “Oh, I'm spending a lot on this. Is that what I want to be doing?” It does help in those ones that could just be anything.

Andrea Liebross: The Amazon, I taught Rebecca this side trick of how to figure out what actually the Amazon purchases are. Isn't that interesting when you go back in? It doesn't just say “Amazon,” when you can say “This was for household goods, this was for clothes,” so figuring out how to categorize your Amazon stuff is pretty powerful. Okay, so that's spending, let's talk about savings. What have you been saving for?

Rebecca Hogg: Retirement, vacations, gifts for others, donations.

Andrea Liebross: I think it's fun to see how you're accumulating, at least in my world, it's fun to see how funds are accumulating in those categories versus just wishing and hoping that there's enough in there to spend on the vacation and to account for annual expenses, for example, that “pop up” surprises, there's no real surprises anymore, are there?

Rebecca Hogg: No.

Andrea Liebross: No. Totally no surprises. Even taxes, remember we did this whole thing about how much you're actually going to owe in taxes? If you're a business owner out there and you have to be paying your own quarterly taxes, all of a sudden, you owe $10,000, but not anymore. If you're you're using this system, you can have a better handle on that. Would you agree?

Rebecca Hogg: Yeah. You're thinking more ahead. I think about like your house, you want to know is everything working properly? What do we need? Do we need more fabric softener, toilet paper, to the annual pest control stuff? What is happening, to make sure that the house is running as it needs to, so what's happening behind the scenes with the budgeting and am I going to have what I need? Is it what I want?

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. I remember we were categorizing like weed killer or the weed man and you're like, “That's totally worth it. I definitely want him to come.”

Rebecca Hogg: The weed-killing man.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. That's something I want and I want that to keep my house running. It's things like that that you're making more conscious decisions I think when you actually see this on paper all together. How has it helped you in your business? What have you recognized in terms of business spending or saving?

Rebecca Hogg: I know something. I'm going to throw something out there.

Andrea Liebross: Paying yourself.

Rebecca Hogg: Yes, that's true. I have been able to be more consistent in how I pay myself, not just like, “Oh, I need to put this in my personal account to pay for this,” but it's like, “This is how much I'm paying myself. This is how much I'm saving to stay in the business for different things.”

Andrea Liebross: Because I think a lot of times, also business owners, we forget to pay ourselves if you don't have a payroll system already set up.

Rebecca Hogg: We just pay random amount.

Andrea Liebross: Yes, like, “Oh, well, I think I can pay myself this month,” or “I want to pay myself so that I can pay for the kitchen remodel.” It's like in order to do the kitchen remodel in my personal life, I better pay myself from my business, versus I'm paying myself for my business and now with these funds, I will do the kitchen remodel. It flips your thinking.

Rebecca Hogg: It's the shift.

Andrea Liebross: Which is I think why yes, YNAB's a system but it's also a lot of mindset shifting when it comes to money. Just like that Full Focus Planner is mindset shifting when you're thinking about goals and how you're going to actually achieve them. They're not just on a piece of paper, you're actually using your brain power to figure out how they're going to happen. It's like the tool sets it up for you but you still need the thinking in order to make it happen. True?

Rebecca Hogg: Yes.

Andrea Liebross: I think a lot of people go wrong in thinking, “Oh, this is just going to solve everything. Once I have this planner or once I have this budgeting system, it's all going to be amazing.” It will be amazing but only if you infuse some of the thinking behind it, at least that's what I found.

Rebecca Hogg: Yeah, that's exactly. Build a strong foundation basically.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah, totally. What do you think has really changed overall big picture since we started working together? What do you think's changed or what's happened?

Rebecca Hogg: Just brief points is I've paid off debt, I've saved more, I've given more, and I've adventured more. We could delve into each of those but that's the overview.

Andrea Liebross: Let's delve in. Let's go for it. Tell me.

Rebecca Hogg: Some things that I've learned in coaching have oftentimes been something that was helpful even to a client that I had in session, from the Eisenhower Matrix that we've talked about, what's important versus not important, urgent versus not urgent, to the levels of delegation. I know that I'm investing in myself, which then helps others, and I've seen that so many times, like a topic that came up in your podcast and/or in our group-coaching sessions have helped me personally to look at things differently or what a client needed at that time.

I've been growing and shifting not in the homeostasis or status quo. One of the things you've said before is basically like our brain's job is to help us feel safe, make things easy and efficient. Sometimes it goes to a negative way of thinking about something but its purpose is to protect us and yet it doesn't end up going through that way. I would say through coaching, my actions and thoughts are more aligned with each other and ultimately with my goals and keeping it all aligned and in order.

I know that it's important to have a growth mindset, and one of the things that I'm thinking about as an analogy is a plant can't or won't grow bigger and may actually die if the roots aren’t able to spread out, like a little seedling in a small pot had plenty of space initially for that seedling to grow, however, in order to keep growing then, it might need to be repotted. To grow we have to look at where we're going and make choices that allow our personal and professional selves to grow or expand.

Andrea Liebross: So you're doing a lot of planting and repotting.

Rebecca Hogg: Mental planting and repotting.

Andrea Liebross: You mentioned how through coaching, you have recognized that some of these same kinds of things we're talking about are coming up when you are working with your own client, that's in a professional sense. Has any of this trickled into helping you more in personal relationships or really honestly in your relationship with yourself?

Rebecca Hogg: Yes. I know my brain because I've lived in it for these few years. It can be super easy to first think about when somebody does something, if from my perspective that doesn't make sense or whatever that initial thought. Through obviously being a counselor, I know that we all have different ways of being, living, thinking, feeling, all that, culture plays into that as well. In coaching, we really narrow it down into like “Let's do a thought audit. What are all the thoughts that you have about this? Let's go through each of them. Are any of them helpful or are they serving you? Are they not helpful, not serving you?”

It's just like dumping it out, looking at it, examining it, not saying that it's necessarily all bad or all good, but just like, “Let's just look at what's happening and then how is this helping you, not helping you, and which direction do we need to go to get you to achieving your goals.”

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. I love the thought audit part. Is this the thought that's serving me, is useful? Is it moving me in the direction I want to go? Do I want to keep it? Do I want to throw it out? Do I really even have to replace it? That was another thing I think I was just thinking about that this weekend. This thought isn't helping me but it's not necessarily like I have to come up with something new. I can just be like, “Nope. I'm done with that. I'm done with that type of thinking.” You don't always have to replace things.

I think also what I find with my clients, a lot of times they'll say to me, “I don't know why this is happening or I'm not sure what my problem is. Why do I feel guilty saving for a big vacation when I could be doing X, Y, and Z with my money?” that's just a random example, but why do you feel guilty? It's because of a thought you have like you should be doing something else. Is that really helping you? No, it's not really helping you potentially.

I think really helping my clients understand why what's happening is happening, why they're feeling the way they're feeling, why they might be doing or not doing what they're doing, all that boils back down to thought. That thought audit concept is really, really powerful so I'm glad that's something that you've taken a liking to and started to use. Tell me, have you used at all the concept of thought bridges?

Rebecca Hogg: If you didn't say that I was about to say the thought bridge thing. I remember that was really helpful to me and a visual for my clients. Because it is something that comes up in therapy, the way that we have certain beliefs about something can shift from negative maladaptive to more positive or adaptive. So it was essentially that what you were saying but you drew it out as like a bridge like, “Here's where the initial thought is, where would you like to be and then how do we get there?” I don't know if you said this or I adapted it but each of the planks on the bridge are slight shifts of thinking to get from one end to the other instead of just being like, “Well, you just need to go from thinking this negative thing to thinking this part. How do we get there?” It's one step at a time on each of those planks.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. I love the image of the thought bridge and I always picture it as this little wooden bridge with planks like Rebecca said, and underneath the bridge is the river of misery flowing and you don't want to fall into the river of misery but you have to go over this bridge one step at a time. When you were mentioning that, something that happened with a different client last week is we were talking about finances and money and she was saying to me, “I just feel like if I work through this process, this You Need A Budget system, learn the system and adapt the mindset, I'm not going to be able to do anything fun anymore. It's just going to take out all the fun.”

I joke, it's like, “I'm not going to be able to buy coffee or shoes anymore,” we have that kind of thinking but really, what happens in that process is it's like a thought bridge. You think that on one side of the bridge, but then if you get to the other side, you realize, “No, this is actually super freeing. I get to do whatever I want with my money, or it's powerful, I can make tons of choices,” but you've got to walk across the bridge plank-by-blank and realize that having a system and a funnel through which to think about your finances and keep it organized actually creates more choices, it gets more powerful, and it gives you more freedom. Would you agree with that kind of thinking? Because I know you and I had this conversation.

Rebecca Hogg: Yeah. I remember I told you something like that.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. I forget what it was for you, it wasn’t coffee and shoes, was it travel maybe, like, “I'm not going to be able to go have all these trips.”

Rebecca Hogg: Probably, yeah, but it was more freeing because it's like, “Well, do I really want to be spending on these certain categories? Is there another way to meet that same feeling, need, or thought, something like that?” It was and is very helpful.

Andrea Liebross: I think you went to Sweden last summer, you're like, “I'm going to Sweden but I'm not sure how I'm going to do this,” and you just made a series of choices about how you're going to spend your money on that trip and you made it work. You've got to do everything you wanted to do because, not but, but because you made conscious choices about how you wanted to spend your money that you had allocated for the trip. I think that is really kind of a thought bridge that you really walked over in that process. Super powerful.

We've talked about the Full Focus Planner system and goals, we've talked about You Need A Budget, if we summed this up, how does this new way of thinking feel to you? What do you think? How do you feel differently than you did nine months ago?

Rebecca Hogg: I feel more organized. I feel more sure, certain of things, and that's just very general, but with what are the goals that I've said and which ones am I following through with, including with the budget, it's in the planner but it's also in the budget. If I need to make shifts, I can make shifts and that's okay, which is something you say, and that's okay. But it's written down, it is flexible, it's not set in stone, it's okay that you shift and change it, and at the same time, “Hey, this is what you said is important, what was the reason that you felt like it was important then? Is it still, and if it is, what's keeping you?” There are so many things that could come up with that. If you're not doing it, what's the thought on it, thought bridge so you can get there?

Going back to the YNAB, growing up I was taught to be wise with finances, not over commit, and basically now as an adult with my own business that is expanding, I needed someone knowledgeable in finances for life and business, hence you being a business and life coach, so the YNAB being really helpful as well as goal setting, so the Full Focus Planner being helpful, and just an overall different way to look at things is what I feel like I've come away with.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. I think it is an overall different way to look at things. I think having, well you tell me, but with coaching, because I find this with my own coach, it helps me stay accountable, motivated, and really dig deep into why I'm doing things. The questions that my coach asks me really make me think which then creates more growth. If someone wasn't asking me those questions, I think I would be staying in the same place in a sense.

Rebecca Hogg: In you saying that, I thought about high performers have their own coaches and so do coaches oftentimes, therapists have their own therapists, medical providers have their own medical providers, yeah, it makes sense.

Andrea Liebross: It makes sense because doing this work on your own is really hard. To wrap up, how do you think you specifically have been, if you just sum it up like coaching, personally and professionally, how do you think you have benefited?

Rebecca Hogg: For coaching, it helps keep me accountable, staying motivated, and focused because I meet with you every two weeks and weekly with the group. I ended up choosing not to do one of those projects that I had initially started with in February because it was so many, that's why I was like, “I need help, how do I get all this done?”

Ultimately, I chose not to do one of those projects and I had to work through the mindset with that because I was like, “But I did all this work towards it,” and you helped me remember what I was thinking about, that it wasn't a waste basically, and I knew that. I knew that it wasn't a waste but it just felt like if I'm saying no to it, I already invested a certain time and money, then it felt like it was a waste, but that was a thought, and there are other thoughts that you could have about that that experience was invaluable and I could always choose to do that project later or maybe it morphs into something else.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. Rebecca, when we first started working, I actually remember that first session, I pulled out a Google doc and I was like, “Okay, dump out everything that's going on in your head, all the things you have going on,” remember that? There were so many things on that page and then over series a few weeks, we realized tackling it all right now doesn't mean forever, but right now it was going to be hard. You making that conscious decision to put one of those projects to the side, that was hard in and of itself because you felt like it was like, “Oh, my gosh, was that a waste of all the time I put into it?” and money because you put money into that project too.

I think a lot of times people feel that way with school too, they've gone down one path in their life, like you saying your legal path, you went down that for a while and then you put that aside and moved on to something different. But making those transitions is really hard. There's a lot of guilt in that and like “Did I waste time, money, and energy?” but in the end, I think it's pretty freeing because it frees up some space to work on other things.

Rebecca Hogg: Yeah. Another thing is just basically like keeping focused on my goals, personal and professional, rather than just being swayed to something that sounds really good but it's not the best, AKA, not a part of my goals. I feel more efficient and effective in the steps that I'm taking towards my goals.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah, because you're not the squirrel or the shiny object syndrome or getting derailed, which so easily happen to all of us. I think having that coaching and that accountability partner to like, “Wait a second, is that part of the plan?” to remind you of that, super powerful. That's with a lot of clients, I see that in myself too. To wrap up, what are your favorite Andrea sayings, what are the things that go over and over and over in your head?

Rebecca Hogg: I'm glad you said sayings because yeah, there's more than one. The management of time is management of mind or management of time is a reflection of the management of your mind. That makes a lot of sense. Another one is you talk about the three main resources, it’s time, money, and brain power, and that helps a lot just to think of what am I expending, no wonder I'm tired, or am I going to be tired? Lots of different things that can come from that. Then the thought bridge that we talked about. I know that's not a saying necessarily but it's something that comes up. Looking at shifting our thoughts a little bit at a time is okay.

Andrea Liebross: Love it. Well, this has been very fun. Thank you for coming on the podcast and sharing your experience. Because I think when we hear other people going through similar, we're all the same, we're all basically the same, just a little variation, and seeing how other people have worked through things, come out, and made improvements, we'll call it, or upgrade, I like to think of it as up leveling your life, it makes it all worth it, because this is the work worth doing, so thank you.

Rebecca Hogg: You're very welcome.

Andrea Liebross: I loved the piece of our conversation together where she talked about how her wheel wasn't rolling and she realized that there were aspects of her life that could be way better, nothing was broken but that could be way better. She knew that there were other ways that she didn't know about yet to think about things, to implement and systematize things. She wanted to excel in all of her areas of her life. She wanted to reach her full potential. This is happening right now. This is happening to her. She is coming into the next version of herself. She is becoming Rebecca 2.0, 4.0, or 5.0, whatever version we want to talk about. She’s becoming that next best version of herself.

If you are interested and want to have this same excitement, the same power, the same control to create your own destiny, if you want to learn how to use these tools to their fullest to help you create a life and a business you love, then come join Rebecca, come join her inside one of my coaching programs or even do a VIP day. We forgot to mention, she's done a VIP day. She's done it all. But I want you to come, and you don't have to do it all, maybe you just do one thing, but I want you to come and join us inside Andrea Liebross's Coaching, inside that coaching container, and find what you need to get your life rolling and your business to the next level. Okay, my friends, this is truly a story of leveling up that I shared with you today. Go level yourself up and I'd be happy to help you. See you next time.

Thanks for listening to the Time to Level Up Podcast with me, your host, Andrea Liebross. If someone who could benefit from listening to this episode, I encourage you to take a screenshot and share it with them. Okay. Now, what about you? You've listened to the podcast, and if you now know that you're ready to upgrade your life, upgrade your business, upgrade you, then stop being only a listener and start being a liver living that upgraded life. Head over to my website and schedule a call. Right there on that call, we'll start changing the way you think and act so that you can have the freedom to achieve the impossible in life and business, and have the resources to do it. You deserve an upgrade. Let's do it.