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Decision Diaries: Why Kate Thacker Stopped Going It Alone in Her Interior Design Business

246: Decision Diaries: Why Kate Thacker Stopped Going It Alone in Her Interior Design Business

Kate Thacker thought she had to do it all herself to grow her interior design business. By the end of 2023, she was stretched thin and ready for something different. That’s when she decided to treat support as a gift to herself and to her business.

That one choice shifted everything. Coaching and new hires helped her stop spiraling over setbacks, start making CEO-level decisions, and move forward with confidence. She even began to see the same patterns in her own design clients as they wrestled with whether to invest in her expertise.

In this episode of She Thinks Big, you’ll hear how Kate’s leap into support reshaped her business and how she shows up as a leader. We’ll talk about what it really means to invest in yourself, how to reframe setbacks as forward movement, and why the ROI on asking for help often extends far beyond revenue growth.

What’s Covered in This Episode on Investing in Support to Grow Your Interior Design Business

2:28 – Kate’s eventful background and the start of her interior design business

6:31 – Early business challenges and how Kate’s mindset shifted as CEO

10:11 – Why Kate decided to invest in coaching and fears that almost held her back

13:30 – Changes in Kate’s mindset in the 18 months since we started working together

15:48 – How Kate approaches investments in hiring and building a team

17:44 – Kate’s biggest marketing goal and how it impacted revenue growth 

21:34 – The impact of Kate’s growth from self-investment on her client relationships

25:14 – One thing that can limit success, regardless of the effort involved

29:38 – Accessible interior design support for the budget-conscious

32:14 – The newest extension on Kate’s website: Shop My Style feature

Connect with Kate Thacker

Kate Thacker is a Dallas-based interior designer and founder of Kate Thacker Interiors. She loves creating spaces that actually feel like home for her clients. Taking inspiration from her worldly travels, she opened her studio in 2019 with a unique combination of modern and traditional elements, as well as approachable colors and textures.

Kate is always looking for hidden treasures that add unique flair. One of her biggest strengths is the ability to see the potential in every corner of a room. More than anything else, she takes joy in transforming a space from the mundane into something fantastic. 

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Quotes from the Episode

“I’m going to give myself this gift of something for me, of something that is going to benefit everybody around me, but is truly something that’s going to help me grow and help my business grow. So, it was a gift to myself.” – Kate Thacker

“This was not only something that I was investing in for myself, but it was also a time commitment, financial commitment, and a commitment to knowing that things were going to change.” – Kate Thacker

“You are the one who not only harbors all the information pertaining to your business, you have the vision of where you want to go. Communicating that to potential employees so that they become an extension of you takes time.” –  Kate Thacker

“You’ve got to invest in yourself first before you even get to the places where you’re going to invest in other things to create growth.” – Andrea Liebross

“‘What was in your way before you started this journey?’ The first thing I said was myself. I can definitely see that in my interactions with my clients.” – Kate Thacker

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Andrea Liebross: Welcome to the She Thinks Big podcast. I'm your host, Andrea Liebross, coach, speaker, life balance architect, and strategic thought partner for high-achieving women who want to think differently, lead confidently, and create success on their own terms.

As an entrepreneur myself and the bestselling author of She Thinks Big, here's what I know: You've been at this for a while, but somehow you can still feel stuck in the day-to-day. And running your business like a to-do list does not fulfill the vision.

So around here, we're not about more hustle, we're about smarter strategy, bolder thinking, and leading a business that fits your life. Each week, you'll hear the mindset shifts, real-world tools, and CEO-level conversations that help you reclaim your time, grow with intention, and elevate your leadership. Now, let's dive in.

Hello there, big thinkers, and welcome back to the She Thinks Big podcast. Today we are talking about mindset, but we're also talking a little bit about having guts, or what it takes to make high-stake business decisions. My guest is someone who has made a few of these bold decisions herself: Kate Thacker.

Kate is a Dallas-based interior designer and founder of Kate Thacker Interiors. Kate loves creating spaces that actually feel like home. She is awesome at combining traditional and modern elements.

She has been kind enough to come on today. We're not just talking about design, we're talking about, I'm going to call it, the inner architecture of being a business owner.

So we're going to pull back the curtain a little bit on some real decision-making, the thought processes that go on in a business owner's mind behind investing in yourself and your business, and even your home when you've been doing it all alone. So we're going to dive in. I'm going to have Kate, first of all, welcome. I'm so glad you're here.

Kate Thacker: Thank you so much for having me.

Andrea Liebross: All right. So tell us a little bit about you. You have a unique story and a style, and let's just start there. Tell us what you do, the types of clients you work with, what lights you up about interior design, how you got there.

Kate's also lived in a whole bunch of places. I'm just going to throw that out there too, just because that's a fun side note.

Kate Thacker: For sure. For sure.

Andrea Liebross: Tell us, tell us all the things that we need to know.

Kate Thacker: Okay, sure. Well, my name is Kate, that’s the first thing to know. I am a wife, a mom, a business owner, a daughter, a friend. You know, as women, we wear so many hats.

I grew up in a family similar to a military family, but those from Texas may know people who work for oil companies. So we traveled around and lived in quite a few different places, including Africa, and got to travel the world as a small child.

I ended up going to high school and college in Texas, and I majored in French and education. I'm not doing that anymore. So yeah, I've had a pretty eventful life, upbringing, etc.

I started my business in 2019, but my whole idea for it started a couple of years before. Actually, a friend of mine reached out to me and said, "Hey, I want you to do my living room." I said, "What do you mean?" She said, "I want you to decorate, design, tell me what to buy, where to place my furniture—all the things—for my living room." I was like, "Are you sure? What do you mean?"

Anyways, after conversation back and forth, me figuring it out, we did it. We redesigned her living room. I did. We did furniture arranging, styling, new pieces. I suggested some things, she rejected some things, etc., etc.

Anyways, that kickstarted my business. I thought, "I could do this. I could really make this something that I have as a career." So I reached out to a local designer here in Dallas and said, "Hey, I'd love to work for you. I'd love to learn everything there is about the business." I did just that.

So I would run errands. I would understand all the nuts and bolts of everything pertaining to how she ran her business. From there, I decided, "If I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this." So in September of 2019—was it 2019? I said, "We're going for it."

So it's been awesome ever since. It’s just grown and grown, and I've learned and learned so much. But yeah, so that's how I've gotten here.

Andrea Liebross: I love it, so what were you doing before 2019?

Kate Thacker: Before 2019, I was a stay-at-home mom. Before that, I had a few different careers. I taught for a year after college and then moved to New York with a bunch of friends and ended up doing HR. Didn't love that.

So I ended up going to culinary school at night and started working in the culinary industry in a variety of different capacities. Then I ended up starting my family. So that schedule and everything didn’t work out. But yeah.

Andrea Liebross: You know, a lot of the women that I work with, they’ve had multiple careers in the past, but then they find something that they really love, and that’s how they start their business. That’s kind of, I think, what happened to you.

Kate Thacker: Yeah, for sure.

Andrea Liebross: All right. So when we met, though, I think it was the very end of 2023. I feel like, I could be making that up, but I'm pretty sure, you were really doing everything. I'm going to call it yourself. Maybe not every everything, but lots of things yourself: the creative part, the operations, we’ll call it the growth strategy, your marketing.

What was your mindset at the time around investing in support, whether that was coaching or help or systems or team? What do you think you were thinking at that point?

Kate Thacker: I was thinking I needed help. I couldn't sustain the way that I was going, but I didn’t know where. I wanted to make the right decision. I wanted some guidance on how I could make those correct decisions, or right decisions for my business at the time.

I needed some help. I needed someone who had not necessarily an interior design perspective, but someone who had perspective on exactly what you do. I mean, honestly, women entrepreneurs. People who were committed to growing their business, but also knew the dynamics of life, honestly.

Andrea Liebross: Life. Yeah. Right. So you are in the weeds. I mean, you were in the weeds in all sorts of ways. You're in the weeds of motherhood because how old are your kids now?

Kate Thacker: Eleven and thirteen.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. Eleven and thirteen. So definitely in the weeds. Kate is chief Uber driver and baseball arranger, as well as all the things. You’re doing it. You’re in the weeds at home. You’re also in the weeds in your business.

I mean, is it fair to say that your voice started to shift from "I should be able to figure this out myself" to "Maybe not"? Maybe, "If I’m going to figure this out myself, then I need support in figuring it out." Like, we start to get to that place? It’s interesting though, because that "I should be able to figure this out myself" voice is pretty sneaky.

Kate Thacker: Oh, a hundred percent. Because that’s how you started. That’s the foundation, you know? So I think that’s still the first instinct. However, my second instinct now is the CEO mindset that we talk about a lot. Like, "All right, I'm the CEO. Does this really benefit my business, how I'm spending my time?"

And I found myself saying that even to other people, like my sister, in situations outside of business. So yeah, it’s definitely something that is ingrained in how I’m thinking and everything. It’s definitely been a mindset shift for me.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. So you start asking yourself, "Is this the best use of my time, money, energy? Is this a CEO-type of decision?" So I think that is really one of the first shifts I see women make. They start to realize, no, they shouldn’t be able to figure this out on their own.

If they are trying to figure it out on their own, is this a good use of their energy and time and brainpower, really?

Kate Thacker: Right.

Andrea Liebross: So then you start to think, "Hmm, I should probably start to invest in some, not only experts." So there's a difference between having experts help you. Then there are people just being the doers helping you. Right? Then there's investing in systems. That's a whole other piece of the puzzle.

So, all right. Let’s talk about some of the things that you have invested in or some of the things that you've started to take off of your plate and put on someone else's plate.

I mean, was the first leap, let’s say, was the first leap deciding to invest in coaching?

Kate Thacker: For sure.

Andrea Liebross: Let’s just start there. So that was the first leap. Was there anything—maybe there, I don’t know, but you tell me—was there anything that happened or didn’t happen that made you think, "I need support with how I'm approaching things"? Did anything happen? Was there anything or not when you first reached out to me, was there anything?

Kate Thacker: I don’t remember, honestly, if there was something that happened. It was more about like, "Hey, I see success. I see the growth potential in this. I'm already growing hand over fist year over year."

So what I really thought about was, honestly, I thought, "I'm going to give myself this gift. I'm going to give myself this gift of something for me, of something that is going to benefit everybody around me, but is truly something that's going to help me grow and help my business grow." So, it was a gift to myself.

Andrea Liebross: I remember you saying that. "I want to give myself this gift." I totally remember you saying that. Is there anything that almost held you back? What do you think? Anything that almost held you back? Was there a fear of spending money? Was there fear of losing control?

Kate Thacker: Yeah. The fear of spending money, the fear of that investment, it’s hard, I think, for a lot of people to invest in something that they don't see, if there's not something tangible.

When you buy a car, you know it's going to look like this. You know it's going to drive like this. This was not only something that I was investing in for myself, but it was also a time commitment, financial commitment, and a commitment to knowing that things were going to change.

"How is that going to change?" So that unknowing is that risk, is that leap that you're taking. I was like, "I'm all in." I'm all in for the leap. I think I met you two weeks later or something—it was crazy—at the conference. So I was like, "I'm going."

Andrea Liebross: That's right. You're right. You were like, "Yep." So Kate and I met a couple of weeks before I did She Thinks Big Live. That was in January of 2024.

I remember, you were like, "I'm coming, I'm packing my bags." I'm like, "Okay, this is good."

All right. So fast forward. Since then, I mean, you did make the investment in coaching. You've also invested in tons of other things. What did you notice changed either in your business or in how you show up as a CEO? What's changed over the last 18 months?

Kate Thacker: I mean, I would say the biggest thing that's changed is my mindset, how I approach situations, issues, how I look at my business, how I make decisions. And how I don't—I mean, we were talking about this earlier—how I don't spiral down anymore.

Something happens that I wasn't expecting or isn't all roses and whatever. I don't spiral into, "How did I do this?" anymore. It's, "Okay. What can I learn? Is there anything I can change? Do I stick with my guns? What's the lesson from all of this?" Then move on.

Move forward should be the better thing, I would say, I just move forward. So move forward.

Andrea Liebross: It's interesting because it's not move on in the sense of "I don't need to think about that anymore." It's just, "How do I move forward from here?" You've invested in people over the last 18 months. Is it fair to say some of that's been amazing and some of it has been just okay?

Kate Thacker: Correct. Yeah. I think that's part of the process too. It's like, "Okay, I'm looking at hiring someone. Let's go through and figure out what I don't want to do, what is taking up too much of my time, what somebody else may be better at than me," and figure out how I can relinquish some of these tasks or some of this process so that somebody else can own it.

I have confidence in them to run with it. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. We're all still here.

Andrea Liebross: We've also started thinking about—I think another CEO thing you've taken on is this, say, person—and it could be anything—but this person, let's invest in them and see how it goes. Like, it's a trial period. It's an experiment. It doesn't have to be forever.

That's, I think, another thing, as new business owners, a lot of times I see women trying to make decisions thinking, "This is going to be the one and only person I'll ever hire, so I better get it right." Versus, "Okay, let's see how it goes for the next three months, and then we can reassess." That's a different way of approaching an investment or making that decision.

Kate Thacker: For sure. I mean, you have to give yourself some grace too, especially when you are the one who not only harbors all the information pertaining to your business, you have the vision of where you want your business to go.

But managing that and communicating that in a way to any potential employees so that they become an extension of you, it takes time. I think you think, "I'm going to hire this person today and tomorrow I'm never going to have to worry about scheduling consults again or sending out an invoice again."

No. I mean, that's not the case at all. So it's just a process. You learn about yourself. You learn about how you want to operate your business, what's working for you, what doesn't work for you.

So yeah, that’s the one thing I would say more than—not only the mindset shift—but for me, it's how much time everything truly takes as a business owner.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. Yeah. It's not instantaneous. Nothing's instantaneous.

Kate Thacker: For sure. As much as we want it to be, but it takes time.

Andrea Liebross: It takes time. It totally takes time. What other things have we invested in that you think have led to revenue growth?

Kate Thacker: Okay. Led to revenue growth, well, I mean, marketing for me, in my industry, it's such a visual industry.

So photos, being part of publications, being part of home tours, investing in quality photography, copy, website, just all of that stuff really impacts my flow of clients. So marketing, for me, for sure.

Andrea Liebross: So marketing is a huge investment, and it's one that's multiples of thousands of dollars. But what's interesting is, let's go back to you deciding that you wanted to be in a publication.

So I remember Kate said to me, "I want to get featured in the Dallas Home." Is that what it—Which was?

Kate Thacker: I want to be published.

Andrea Liebross: I want to be published. Okay. So she said that. And then we got to work. You got to work. And you invested energy, time, and money into making that happen.

That took a new CEO mindset. Because before, I think you’d have been like, "Well, I don’t know. Am I even big enough to be published?" But then you started to see other people do it. That was a shift for you, making that decision.

Kate Thacker: For sure. I remember what was happening, I think, gosh, we were in our halfway-through-the-year vision-to-action planning. 2024. I remember you were challenging us to think big and to really say, "All right, say the scary stuff out loud. What's one goal that may seem unattainable, but you just want to do it, like, say it out loud."

So I remember I spoke up on one of our calls and I said, "I want to be published." By the end of 2024, it happened.

I mean, process for sure. But it was very interesting to learn about that aspect of the business. But yeah, it happened. It happened. It was HGTV Online, a blog. So my project was featured, and I was super excited about it. But I was like, yeah.

Andrea Liebross: All right. So once Kate made the investment in herself, so many things changed in the business, but also in how she showed up as CEO of her business.

You really shifted emotionally and mentally. Sometimes the wins are even those kinds of wins, how you're showing up, those wins are even bigger than the numbers. Fair to say that?

Kate Thacker: For sure.

Andrea Liebross: So confidence, feeling like a real business owner, almost like creative freedom, having the guts to go for it, those are all huge wins that come from investing in, I say, yourself, in people, in systems. But you've got to invest in yourself first before you even get to the places where you're going to invest in other things to create that growth.

So how does this all translate to how you approach your own clients? Like when you're thinking about having an initial consult with someone now, and they're making a decision to invest in you, how has that shifted? Is how you approach that shifted? Because they're making a decision just like you're making decisions.

Kate Thacker: For sure. For sure. So when people invite me into their home, for example, in an interior design consultation, that's when I go over and I really assess their project, they are truly vulnerable.

They're showing me all the things that don't work for their home, what they want to see in the future for their home. So I'm very appreciative of that space that they're giving me.

I think because of the way I approach clients—and how I've evolved and how I approach clients and projects—I can give them that assurance that they're in good hands. That I'm committed to working with them to give them the ultimate result of what they're looking for within the parameters that we're setting, whether it be budget, timeline, aesthetic, etc.

I'm honest with them about how we can achieve their ultimate goal. Does that work?

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. Yeah, that works. Well, we can probably say it better. All right. So Kate has invested in herself and gotten support in helping her make decisions in her business. Fair? Is that a fair statement?

Kate Thacker: Fair.

Andrea Liebross: So now, I think when Kate goes in to start a working relationship with a potential new client—or goes into a consult—she recognizes that those people are investing in her support in the same way that she's investing in support for her business.

So they're looking to Kate to help them make decisions to get the result they want. It is an honor to be in that spot, to have someone be open and honest with you and to have that trust factor that you're going to be able to help them get that result.

They're investing their time, energy, and big dollars in you. You are taking that responsibility on and saying, "I've got you. We're going to make this happen."

I see that as the same as you've invested in me, or in coaching, or in hiring a person that's going to work in your business, whatever that is. That person, or me, or the system, or whatever, has to give you that same respect and say, "I've got you. I'm going to support you. We're going to make this happen."

It's almost like you're mirroring the support that you're investing in for yourself, you’re giving that back to your clients.

Kate Thacker: For sure.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. Does that work?

Kate Thacker: Yeah. You just say it for me, Andrea.

Andrea Liebross: But I see you do that more though. I see you really showing up that way. I mean, from what you've shared with me and how you're approaching your clients, you are going into this with way more confidence.

Kate Thacker: Oh, for sure.

Andrea Liebross: Than you were two years ago. You're just like, "I got you. We're going to make it happen." Okay, so this is interesting. When you can’t help them, the only reason you really can’t help them is because they’re getting in their own way.

Kate Thacker: For real.

Andrea Liebross: It’s so true. It’s like if they just got out of their own way, you’d be off to the races. If a relationship doesn’t work out, it really is not because of anything you’re doing or not doing, it’s because they’re not showing up for themselves.

Kate Thacker: Yeah. I was just thinking about it actually this morning. Just like in our own coaching journey, "What is in your way?" Or, "What was in your way before you started this journey?" The first thing I said was myself.

So I can definitely see that in my interactions with my clients. I can go into a project and we can really make some changes. But if they’re not ready for it, if they’re not ready to invest or anything, it’s not going to feel different.

There’s not going to be big changes. There’s not going to be big improvements. So I really see that as an extension to my client relationships, for sure.

Andrea Liebross: So it’s almost like they’re going to see that their project is a heavy, heavy lift, a burden. They’re not going to get the fact that you’re there to help carry some of that heaviness or to make it less of a burden.

I think anytime someone invests in support, whether it’s the support and expertise of a designer, or the support and expertise of a coach, or the support and expertise in someone who’s a marketing expert, that other person or service should be able to lighten the load or relieve some of the burden.

If that’s not happening, then either you’re not showing up as an ideal client or receiver, or you’ve got the wrong person.

Kate Thacker: For sure. For sure. I have to say, going through this process, I a lot of times look at the client's perspectives. Because sometimes they’ve never been through a renovation. Sometimes they’ve never done anything like this before.

I say to them, point blank, "This is going to be stressful for you. But I’m okay with that. I’m here to be your support. We’re going to make these decisions together. Or if you can’t handle it and you trust me, I can make all those decisions for you. Whatever dynamic for your project you need in order to feel comfortable, I’m here for you for that."

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. That’s exactly it. That’s exactly it. So I think if someone’s out there listening and is where you were as a business owner—so, smart, capable, successful—but on the edge of, "I can’t do this alone anymore," or "I need support," what would you tell them? What would you say to them?

Kate Thacker: You could always use support.

Andrea Liebross: Right. I would say it’s the same for a design client. You’re smart. You’re capable. You can figure it out on your own. But you don’t have to. You don’t have to figure it out on your own. You don’t have to do it all alone. I think the ROI on all of this is way bigger and better than you think.

So investing, making multiple thousands-of-dollars investments, the ROI is always more than you think.

Kate Thacker: For sure. Yeah, for sure.

Andrea Liebross: So I think the way I see coaching is a luxury. However, it’s a way in which you can create support as a business owner without hiring a whole C-suite of executives.

Sometimes people say to me, "Should I hire a CFO? Should I hire a COO? Should I hire a CMO?" Maybe. But another way to create support is to hire a coach that’s going to support you throughout the process.

So not everybody can afford having an interior designer. However, one way to get that interior design support is to use something like Shop My Style. Am I right? What do you think about that?

Kate Thacker: For sure. I think that there’s a lot of accessibility to us because of social media, because of our websites, because of being in the community. But it’s not always in everyone’s budget to hire us as a partner to create the vision of their life for you, or of their home, for me.

So I see this gap, and I wanted to offer a service where people could still access beautiful spaces that are curated by an interior designer. Not things from Amazon, but nice pieces that look curated and collected for different design styles and different rooms.

I wanted to offer that because I do understand it’s not always something that people can afford. I mean, interior designer is a luxury service. So offering this as an alternative, I see as a way of filling that gap of people who want that look but aren’t quite there.

Andrea Liebross: Yeah. It’s meeting them where they’re at.

Kate Thacker: Exactly. Exactly. Meeting them where they’re at.

Andrea Liebross: In terms of style and investment. It's just like I offer different types of coaching programs to meet people where they’re at, you’re offering different types of services to give them that interior design type of experience, but meeting them where they’re at. So it’s a beautiful thing.

Kate Thacker: Exactly.

Andrea Liebross: So, thank you for joining me in this conversation. I think a lot of business owners needed to hear that they’re not weak for investing in help, they’re wise.

I think a lot of your potential clients, you are not weak for investing in help. You are wise.

Where can people go to see your gorgeous work and learn more about Kate Thacker Home?

Kate Thacker: For sure. Well, of course, online at katethacker.com. But on all of the social medias—all of them—@katethackerhome.

Andrea Liebross: Kate Thacker Home. All right. Before we go, tell us about your newest extension of Kate Thacker Home.

Kate Thacker: Oh yeah, for sure.

Andrea Liebross: This is something that I’ve invested a lot of time and energy in, and it’s awesome. Tell them.

Kate Thacker: For sure. Yeah. I found that the biggest question that comes up—probably 99% of the time—or issue with my clients that we discuss within the first five minutes of meeting is making that decision.

"Will this work? I’m not sure," etc. So what I’ve done is I’ve curated shoppable elevated spaces based on design style for clients, for anybody who is looking to just have all the decisions made for them.

It’s a Shop My Style feature on my website. It’s broken out into five design styles. So I’m really excited about all of these. The five design styles I’ve curated are: Desert Modern, Eclectic, Modern Traditional, Modern Coastal, and Scandifornian.

They are all so fun, so fresh, so unique. For each style, I’ve curated dining rooms, kitchens, bedrooms, living rooms, office spaces, and all these spaces are shoppable on my website. It’s been really fun. But yeah, it’s truly another arm of my business, but I’ve enjoyed the journey.

Andrea Liebross: So if you’re someone who wants some support in creating a space that looks Desert Modern or Modern Coastal or whatever, go over to Kate’s website: katethacker.com. You can click into each of these types of spaces and then purchase right from the website and have your own room designed for you, without Kate even going into your home. So I think that’s pretty cool.

So that is an investment of Kate’s time, money, and energy that is going to 100% benefit her clients and also help grow her business.

Kate Thacker: For sure.

Andrea Liebross: Thanks for tuning into the She Thinks Big! Podcast. If you're ready to learn the secret to unleashing your full potential, don't forget to grab a copy of my book, She Thinks Big: The Entrepreneurial Woman's Guide to Moving Past the Messy Middle and Into the Extraordinary. It's available on Amazon and at your favorite bookstore.

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I am the big thinking expert for high-achieving women entrepreneurs. I help these bold, ambitious women make the shift from thinking small and feeling overwhelmed in business and life to getting the clarity, confidence and freedom they crave. I believe that the secret sauce to thinking big and creating big results (that you’re worthy and capable of) has just two ingredients – solid systems and the right (big) mindset. I am the author of best seller She Thinks Big: The Entrepreneurial Woman’s Guide to Moving Past the Messy Middle and Into the Extraordinary and host of the She Thinks Big podcast.